from those kinds of unfair practices. the obama administration just in the last year has finally levied some stiff penalties in the whole solar area. but the fact is the horse is out of the barn on this issue several years ago. and it's hard to see whether or not that industry will ever recover from the damage done by those practices. >> host: henry in illinois e-mails in: i feel so disillusioned hearing what you have to say, and yet as a consumer i feel like america has experienced such great progress and prosperity since the 50es when i was born -- '50s when i was born. do you see america in decline, or do we continue to improve in spite of ourselves? are you optimist inabout america? >> guest: i'm decidedly pessimistic. one quick one, we haven't even touched, we didn't touch on any of the books. but if you do any reading, you can see this truck coming down the road, and that is robots. for so long robots did one thing, punched a hole or fastened a screw or something. now they do multiple tasks. and once that takes hold, this is going to result in the elimination of just untold jobs.